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Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.03 14:55:00 -
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I want this ship!!!
A 100,000 - 250,000m3 pure transport, the poormans freighter and POS supply ship.
I run a small manufacturing corp, I need to move minerals from many different stations into one factory then take finished goods to market.
Currently I fly a mastodon with the best (non-local) cargo expanders I get 25,000m3 with 6 GSCs enough to move 2.5Million units of minerals, this is plenty for me, the problem arises when i try to take goods from the factory to the market, 24hrs of manufacturing on 5 slots takes me between 3 trips (drones and ammo) up to 12 or 14 trips for frigates and destroyers, I can build 100 frigates (20 per slot) in 24 hrs but can only transport them 8 at a time.
A freighter is well out of my league, I cannot afford to spend 1 Billion ISK on a ship that is so much bigger than I will ever use, it is a capital ship, the equivilant of buying a dreadnaught for a lvl3 mission.
As for stats of the new ship class, I feel they should be more agile and faster than DSTs as they will not have the defencive capibilities but still slower than the T1 haulers.
The same resistances and defences as the T1 haulers but double or possible triple the hitpoints due to sheer bulk.
They should be T1 but have a sufficiantly long skill tree so as not to replace all the T1 haulers.
As for slots, similar to DSTs again but with fewer total slots.
It should be able to dock with a POS but unable to pickup jetcans, as this is not to be a mining vessel.
make this and I will be one happy little
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Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2007.08.12 15:13:00 -
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Another bump to a much needed ship.
The Small High Sec Maunfacturing corps need a ship like this.
The Freighter, 1BILLION ISK, + skills + training time is more than a small corp can afford. Besides why should they pay for such a large ship when they will never have need of its full capacity?
The new ORE ships ore compression might help if it could be implemented for minerals and in stations with no factories.
Collecting 5-10Mil units of assorted minerals from stations within 2-3 jumps of a central factory hub, delivering 50,000-250,000m3 of completed products from factories to the point of sale. This is what kind of role the ship is needed for.
Make it require lvl3 or 4 transport ship skill, noone ever trains it above lvl1 in my experiance anyway. Hey even give it a scaled down carrier hull, you dont even need to design a new hull then.
Dont give it a jump drive, Do allow it to use gates and have full hi sec clearance. The lo-sec alliances have enough special toys as it is.
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters
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Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2007.10.30 00:24:00 -
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Showing my support (again) for this ship.
Jump Freighters are not what we asked for, they are mearly another alliance toy.
high sec, small, CHEAP!! freighters is/are what we ask for.
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys
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Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2007.11.06 14:38:00 -
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Rescued from page 4
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2007.11.15 12:20:00 -
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OMG we're on page 3 !!!
oh not any more
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2007.11.22 14:22:00 -
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Page 4 I think not.
Would be better not to be a freighter at all, as you have to include the skill reqs and cost of the freighter skill.
Also the transports are T2 so we dont want to go down that route either.
So it looks like a new class of ship requiring racial hauler 4/5 and maybe another skill could be linked in for eg mechanic is a req for assault frigs, so the cargo hauler might require industry lvl5 or something like that.
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2007.12.15 21:35:00 -
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Ohh C'mon, page 8 already???
Hey devs we have here 18 pages of people asking for a very useful ship, we have detailed descriptions and piles of ideas.
Even the Space Whaling idea got a dev responce on its 4th page.... SPACE WHALING for petes sake!!
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2008.01.10 16:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Zepharim
Edited by: Zepharim on 06/01/2008 04:16:57
It should be at least 200m in regards to price, so as not to make industrials obsolete. Maybe they should require spaceship command V as well as racial Industrial Ship V, and also Industry V. Perhaps more?
I didn't read through the whole thread, but I do actually like the idea. You should make a summary of what you've come up with so far.
As one of the posters said, a fully tripped out Itty 5 can hit over 45k cargo, at a cost of 150-250mil?
So anything above that, should be quite a bit more pricey. If it's able to fit expanders, then a 30000m3 cargo hauler should start at 200mil, as even with basic cargo expanders, it'll quickly hit the capacity of that expensive tripped out itty 5.
Yes 250 - 300 Million ISK is about the region we are looking for, less than 1/4 the price of a freighter, but the base line capacity of this ship will easily outstrip a max fitted Itty V.
This should be a small freighter rather than a very large hauler. So I would be expecting 100-200K m3 of cargo but no fitting or rig slots.
The main issue this ship is dealing with is cargos that arent big enough to be worth a freighters involvement and as a cheaper alternative for industrialists and haulers who cannot afford to throw 1 Billion ISK at a capital class ship.
I want to avoid having the freighter skill associated with it as well, if you make it a tier 3 or 4 transport ship you hit the T2 problem and the price skyrockets, the best alternative is either a racial heavy hauler class, or a speciality ship class that is not tied to any particular race, Thukker transporter?
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2008.01.18 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Felin
You can move 50k m3 in Iteron 5 btw.
41,847.78m3 actually with 5x T2 extenders, 2x T2 and 1x T1 cargo rig
13 cans will give you 53.5K m3 but thats not usable in a single block.
But then T2 rigs defeat the object, as they are 400mil average each in heimatar atm, (although only ones above 550mil are on the market)
Making this fully tricked out Itty 5 more expencive than a freighter in rigs alone.
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2008.01.22 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Veng3ance
Edited by: Veng3ance on 19/01/2008 06:42:25
Ummm, this is a great idea. 
But I think it should at least require T2 class ship training.
While I agree with the need for a decent level of skill in order to fly this ship, slapping T2 on it isnt the best way as you then have to have the ship T2 to match its skillset, and T2 ships (especially the new non-BPO ones) are always stupidly expencive.
But I would suggest a long set of T1 level skills.
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Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2008.01.30 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Taris Gedar
Got a suggestion out of a different thread (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=693235:
Hmm that would work too, 120m3 i believe is the capacity of a general freight container coincidentally also the size of the largest courrier contracts.
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Zaphroid Eulthran
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Posted - 2008.03.13 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: SoldierOfFortune
I'm still surprised ccp havn't released a smaller freighter class yet, clearly they are needed/wanted.
Well aparently CCP do read all (well written) posts in this forum. It would be nice if for ideas such as this that have such a large following if they could just put a little post saying we looked at this and liked/hated it rather than having us bumping this post for over two years when they have decided that no such ship will be created.
Ohh and bumpage from the dark depths of features and ideas
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2008.04.21 10:56:00 -
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I see a lot of people citing macroes/farmers as a reason for not having this ship, or modifying the idea into something that does not solve the original problem.
People seem to be seing this ship as a huge center piece for a mining gang, it isnt.
This ship is a smaller cheaper freighter so it has the same restricted cargo movement as the full size freighters.
The most important idea behind this ship is acessability to poorer (read smaller) corps, that dont have the cash to burn on a Billion isk ship that they can never fully utilise.
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2008.05.03 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Messerschmitt facility
You already have your mini freighter. it's called the jump freighter and it only carries 250k m3.
And costs 5 or more times as much as a standard freighter, is far more skill intensive and is still difficult to get hold of.
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Zaphroid Eulthran
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:28:00 -
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Linkified and bump, this topic shall not die.
Dont forget to tick the support box when you post in the assembly hall.
Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2008.10.23 23:22:00 -
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I have just read the current stats on the Orca, im not too sure if CCP intends that to fulfil what we are asking for here, but I dont think it does.
Technically it does have 120,000m3 of cargo but it is split between the 90K cargo (when fully expanded) and the 30K corp hanger, this leaves it still unable to haul the 120K m3 courier contracts.
It would seem the orca is a mining centerpiece ship, which is what it was supposed to be, I just hope that those who want the mini freighter will not be told the orca is the solution when it, in my eyes, is clearly not. |
Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2009.04.22 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gopher Boy
I think this idea has not been commented on by CCP since we now have the Orca which can be expanded to the capacity the OP wanted in the first place.
Please do not necro this thread any longer.
/thread
Its not over, the orca is not a hauler, it is a mining command ship.
The requirements we wanted to see are simple, a straight cargobay of 120,000 m3 (the size required to haul one max capacity courior contract.
Fitting for modules I dont mind either way, hanger? would be useful but its not a nessecity.
Difficult to suicide gank, but as EvE shows us, nothing is impossible.
Definatly not T2, as for capital class, I like the idea of the 2 tier building process, but not the skill reqs associated with capitals applying to this ship.
As for the skill tree to fly it? well its not for miners so I dont want any barge related skills on it, its for Industrialists/Manufacturers, so Industry5, and Transport ships.
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